A reflection of the wealther liberal north (Marylin) and the more conservative south (Rosie).. Howards interpretation is plausable and on the first point he makes he compares the sons of Elohim seducing the daughters of man with the serpent/magician seducing Eve, using the line; you will be like Elohim knowing good and evil (Genesis 3:5) A similar occurance happened near the end of the reign of Pharaoh Ramses III that is described in the Papyrus of Harris. When we trust in God, we have the opportunity to see the fruits of our labor. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one anothers flesh, and drink the blood. Noahs ark and the biblical flood story are also recurring themes in the mosaic floors that adorned churches and synagogues throughout the ancient world. Deducing that Shem was born 98 years before the Flood, it could be no more than this. Factual is a debatable word in this context.. And the canopy of water that surrounded the earth was used (Gen 1:6-10). Enoch had a pre-flood ministry, he was the scribe of scrolls he passed onto to Noah. The King James writers did their translation without benefit of the Codices that were only just beginning to be discovered in the 19th century; Sinaiticus, Vaticannus, Alexandrinus, Septuagint, Nestle, Dead Sea Scrolls, Septuagint. p. 39 Noah chopped down trees to build an enormous ark on dry landfar from any oceanbecause God was going to send a great flood. He builds an altar, and offers sacrifices, 21. which God accepts, and promises to curse the earth no more. In ancient Israel, they used clay replicas of goddesses as an inexpensive way to connect to their beliefs. 2. This interpretation was based on a reading from the Masoretic text. In the Sumerian myth Cattle and Grain, the first generation of the gods known as Anunnaki (sky gods), knew not the eating of bread, knew not the dressing of garments, ate plants with their mouth like sheep, drank water from the ditch. It was around the 3rd century B.C.E that the first installment of the book of Enoch was composed; the book of Watchers. Howard says For more on Hollywood movies, read Excruciating Exodus Movie Exudes Errors, The Gods of Egypt Movie: A Mess of Anachronisms and Exoticization and Blending into One: The Left Behind Movie, the Book of Revelation and the Rapture.. From the giant Rock Giants who help Noah build the Ark and the murderous killing spree Noah embarks on to purge mankind of evil, to the not-so-subliminal messages against the wanton destruction of flora and fauna, the movie takes many liberties to tell a good story, but the plot-line fails to meet the biblical text. I once read where Jerome wrote to a female parishoner that he wanted to see repentant tears in her hollow cheek, which to me is a red flag that these fallen angels or watchers were perhaps religious figures who conspired to make women subserviant. In Noah's day grace came in the shape of an Ark. The book of Enoch, Chapters 10-12, 54-82 are told by Noah, 105 describes his birth and Chapter 81 give a star references to about 12,500 years before Christ with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. I attempted to watch it this past weekend and had to turn it off after an hour an a half. Ezekiel, chapter 1 is a great example of that. Hui resorted to magic spells to assist the conspirators and his intended targets were the overseers of the harem whom were rendered helpless and the harem women who were the recipients of an amorous spell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGL0sfKNR5w&list=PLV7Wy_Z8JeGiJfWIQkXTyDVTaCdfnxAqx for people who are interested in getting more info about the Watchers, Nephilim, Rephaim Giants & Fallen Angels before Noahs flood. I would have to agree with commentator Howard # 11, that the book of Enoch was an authoritative source for early Christians. Just as Christ did not give humans the capability of changing the composition of their DNA, then for what logical reason would he give angels the capacity to exchange the composition of their spirit body for that of human DNA? Proportionally this is closest to the dimensions of the USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) at 453 feet x 40 feet x 35 feet but while the Carter is 3 feet longer it is also just over half the beam and just under half the depth (this latter probably includes the height of the sail). In the "Enuma Elish" the Anunnaki gods are assigned by Marduk to their respective sphere of influence, with 300 assigned to the sky and 300 assigned over the earth. Ever read much from that book? The last time that happened was just after a 1000 year sea stagnation period then MWP1B and sea-level rose by 26.7 feet in 100 years and continued to rise at over a inch per years for several thousand years. The NEPHILIM (gigantes -giants-Septuagint) PROVED TO BE IN THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS, and also after that, when the Sons of God CONTINUED to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones(gigantes-giantsSeptuagint) who were of old, the men of fame(but still men, not Hollywoods imaginary rock creatures). Thou seest what Azzl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: 7. . This alone is sufficient for lovers of Gods inspired Word to dismiss it No upper or lower case highlighting, no sentence or paragraphing structure indicating beginnings & endings of distinct topics in those early languages, it was context that fixed the start/finish points. His warnings were considered irrational. I have had enough of you condescending attitude and your venom. In the Noah story, God asked him to construct the Ark because the flood was going to destroy every disbeliever on that area. Its just a twisty tongue retelling of an ancient tale. Hollywood wont get the bible account correct, but it is still ok to add the rock monsters for the audience to get involved in the movie. Grab your bible. I got the title wrong in my last post. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Where do you stand? Why are you trying to make the movie Noah fit with the Bible? People loved sinthey idolized sin; they were immersed in sin. Therefore, demons can inhabit people! Jeanne, read John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.., this is speaking of Christ himself. p. 36 That stuff is the material from which mythology is derived. The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal text. Genesis 6 makes no mention of rock giantsor fallen angelshelping Noah build the ark. Each period of 40 units is related to testing, probation or being tried. Paul D., its possible that the book of Enoch that you call phony may have relied on sources that date back to the 10th century B.C.E.. Summary: Surprisingly a time period of 40 (days, weeks, years) is significant. The Mesopotamian cultures had access to the Genesis account of the pre-flood world because Enochs lineage (Shem) living in post-flood Mesopotamia were the keepers of those documents. Hollywood (little Babylon) at its best. In his article The Curious Case of NoahsBox? in the Summer 2021 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, archaeologist Shelley Wachsmann looks at examples of ancient biblical art and examines how early translations of the Hebrew word for ark may have influenced, in surprising and unexpected ways, ancient depictions of Noahs fabled seaworthy construction. How did Noah trust God? Using words that are not Christs own cannot possibly lead one closer to the truth, such embellishments are designed to lead the reader away from the factual nature of Christs proclamations & not closer. There is a problem with the chronology of period when this temple was in use (9500-8000 B.C.E.) You are following mainstream answers. CHAPTER IX. So, whats wrong with just sitting back and enjoying an action-packed, roller-coaster ride with Noah? Weve seen the failed social experiments of the Taliban and other spin-off extremist movements that forbid women to work so that the leaders get to pick which ones to marry after denying them education and perpetuating a cycle of poverty. Elohim: =sent, = the, and = strong right hand: means: magistrates, angles, army, or Host =Owthtzv= : = . The fact that the Dead Sea Scroll fragment of the Book of Giants lists the name of Gilgamesh as being a giant is an indication (at least to me) that this was probably taken froman old source. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. Point 2 JESUS cast out demons. In this milieu the psilocybin-containg mushrooms were encountered, consumed, and deified. Hi to all, the contents present at this site And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. In His grace, God commissioned Noah to build an ark to preserve himself and his family from the upcoming judgment by water (verse 14). Contact Us. 7 He sent out a raven. God brought judgment on people who disbelieved Him. Everything on land that needed to breath would die except for those on Noahs ark. The Animals Went in Two by Two, According to Babylonian Ark Tablet. This is called poetic license, and there is nothing wrong with it. Why should anyone who is a student of the original languages of the Bible care anything about what the paraphrase states? = flame of fire. 2. descent? And, who knows; it might even cause some people to study the truth of the Biblical text?!?! 5 The waters continued to go down until the tenth month. God chose Noah as a messenger, instructing him to build the Ark as a sign to the people that the flood would come unless they changed their actions. God saved His faithful servant and washed the earth clean. Another possibility is that Noah hired people to help him build the Ark. think you that thousands of bibles did not exist before you found this one? 9. B.C.E.? In Genesis 6 sons of God is literally transliterated as sons of powers, it becomes a matter of who the powers are as to whether the reference is to earthly powers or the supreme powers in heaven. As for the church father Jerome, to whom we credit for translating the biblical canon into Latin, perhaps he and other church fathers had a vested interest in excluding this book. Enochs father was Jared, whose name means go down and it was believed that it was during his generation when the watchers descended. Check out the story in Genesis. The Lord commanded Noah to build an ark in which his family and "every living thing of all flesh" (Genesis 6:19) were saved from the Flood. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. 6. Sure the sons of (powers) God did, but you are having a problem discerning the Hebrew & Aramaic definition for elohiym (#430 & 410 Strongs Concordance) derived from two other words 193 & 352 which translated into English means powers, strength, magistrates, judges. God informed Noah that He planned to end sin by killing all the sinners through an enormous flood as judgment on sinners. When the floodwater receded, Noah and his family exited the ark. Angels in heaven are spirit creatures, who in their heavenly form cannot perform acts of marriage. 8. They apparently were giants compared to an average man. The sons of God were humans. 22:30. Who could rightly disagree with the Master.. And again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azzl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Ddl, and cast him therein. he (Jesus) went his way and preached to the spirits in PRISON, who had once been DISOBEDIENT when the patience of God was waiting in NOAHS DAYS, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people,that is eight souls, were carried safely through the water. (1 Peter 3:19, 20), Then the SONS OF GOD (ANGELSSEPTUAGINT) began to notice the DAUGHTERS OF MAN , that they were good looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose. Hence, 2/10/600 means the tenth day of the second month in Noah's 600th year. So why does ancient biblical art depict Noahs ark in this unusual way? Genesis 6:4 the paraphrase says that these former angels had relations with the daughters of men That word relations is incorrect it should be TOOK, as in appropriated as rent a womb: to Clone, creation of an animal life in the womb of host with out sexual intercourse. This was in direct rebellion against Gods assignment for angels. REREAD MY LAST POST. Noah chopped down trees to build an enormous ark on dry landfar from any oceanbecause God was going to send a great flood. Did not Enoch live at the time relative to sons of Elohim following their descent?. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. 4 On the 17th day of the seventh month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. To these that sober race of men, Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E. p. 35 Rain began and lasted 40 days and 40 nights. Start your interpretation with what the Bible is crystal clear on, not what your fantasies like to indulge in. Certainly it is not a straightforward retelling of the flood story in Genesis 6, but as Ronald S. Hendel points out in his Biblical Views column Noah, Enoch, and the Flood: The Bible Meets Hollywood, which appears in the July/August 2014 issue of BAR, the flood story has been reimagined in Christian and Jewish texts, such as the apocryphal Book of Enoch, for millennia. Therefore, the creation of Giants Without SEX is a viable concept and is probably happening as we speak. Did Our Languages Come From the Tower of Babel? Paul D. while I agree that there were written traditions that were passed down through the line of Shem to Abraham, the book of Genesis as we have it now wasnt composed until the period of the early monarchy and the 5th chapter of Genesis wasnt composed until after the return from Bablylonian captivity during 5th century B.C.E,. As human men they were able to do all the things that humans can do. Im Paul D. who wrote the post immediately above, please distinguish between me & the other Paul who posted in #s 1 & 2 above. What does Noah's ark teach us? For example, if we review the Hebrew word for angel, malak, we find it doesnt mean a supernatural being at all, but messenger, AND ALSO, king, priest, judge, lord, shepherd, ambassador, deputy, etc. I have been studying the Bible in depth; with various translations and original languages, for nearly 30yrs. Privacy Whoor whatare the rock giants in Noah the movie? 2. Paul D. Good exegesis, Paul D., but this debate over Elohim with a small g (gods) and a large G (God) is becoming like that Saturday Night Live skit spoofing a commercial advertisement where two men are arguing over over a small can; Its shaving cream! Its whipped cream! Then Chevy Chase steps in and says, Its a shaving cream AND a whipped cream! Noah added to those scrolls the account of the flood, he gave those updated scrolls to Shem who in turn passed them through unbroken lineage to Abraham from which reference is made in Jude :14-16, are not these also the warning messages Noah was delivering to pre-flood mankind if they did not repent? The door to the ark had been firmly shut by God. One author claims: The Tower of Babel myth is definitely one of the most absurd stories ever told. Even a Jewish rabbi called it a naive attempt to explain the origin of nations. THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE *WORD OF GOD* !! So it wouldnt be necessarily out of context if I were to frame the term it came to pass as refering to a generation like those who were raised during the Great Depression when they couldnt have anything but produced the iconic image of Rosie the Rivetter and would signify that the daughters of man were good. Contrast that generation with that of Naamah (Genesis 4:22), which means beautiful, at a time when you can have anything, of which Marylin Monroe is iconic. Not content with endeavoring to dethrone the king by an uprising of both soldiers and civilians, Hui, a certain high official, who was the overseer of the [royal] cattle, bethought him of applying magic to help their evil designs, and with this object in view he went to some one who had access to to the kings library, and he obtained from him a book containing formula of a magical nature, and directions for working magic. Christ is crystal clear angels never have sex with humans under any circumstances. Today grace comes in the shape of a Cross. The Hollywood blockbuster Noah has generated its fair share of controversy, with some saying the movie took too many liberties with the Biblical text. Cheshvan 17 (mid-fall): Noah enters ark; rains begin. Or something other than a man to be looked up to and admired? But Gene, you continue to miss the most important issue concerning all this conjecture contained in the Noah movie. VI-XI. Maybe it will stir them read the bible and get the real account, and get saved ultimately. This article first appeared in Bible History Daily on July 21, 2021. Image by Internet Archive Book Images. In a New York Times article from September 14, 2008 entitled The Boom in Galaxies After the Big Bang, it speaks of the first generation of stars: Everybody heard his predictions of destruction. Photo by Klaus-Peter Simon, own work, CC BY 3.0 Not so fast! The last time that happened was just after a 1000 year sea stagnation period then MWP1B and sea-level rose by 26.7 feet in 100 years and continued to rise at over a inch per years for several thousand years. The English language is much differently constructed than early Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. Are they to be identified with the Watchers, fallen angels in the Book of Enoch? The sons of God (Heb: powers) engaging in betrothed sex producing offspring cant possibly be beings from heaven because we clearly have the words of the one who is the author of the Bible: Yeshua, Iesous Jesus, or whatever other spelling of his name be your choosing. I think that Enoch writings are key source to understand what happened in the past, in that way we will be able to understand whats coming in the future because Jesus said that the last times will be like in the days of Noah, and according to Enoch and the book of Genesis, giants, nephilim, rephaim & fallen angels were on earth in those days, and will be again for the coming of the son of men. Billy Graham. 18 And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and be full of blessing. In Genesis 6 the context is to earthly powers because the these earthly powers (god, if you please) are engaging in sex producing offspring, something heavenly powers cannot do, period. However, the sons of the true God, referred to at Genesis 6:2, are actually angels Jeanne: Bad advice, ENJOY. Making them out to be hard done by and or the Saviors. The LORD God broke up the fountains of the oceans and opened the windows of heaven, and it rained for 40 days and 40 nights (Gen 7:11-12). Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers (6) Noah opened the window. All the above commentary is pedantic and laborious and far too serious by many who take themselves very seriously. Original music by Dan Powell and Marion Lozano . 1988, Yes Paul D., theres a vast reservoir of tradition on the subject from which a couple of references were streamlined in the book of Jude verse 6 and verses 14-15. (This column is based on the words and writings of the late Rev. There the partnership society arose and flourished, there hunter-gatherer culture slowly gave way to domestication of animals and plants. There is nothing in all the Bible that states angels can have sex with humans! During the Flood. The only way a person can be saved from the eternal consequences of their rebellion against God is to turn from that sin and trust in the Savior Jesus Christthe way, the truth, and the life. --Not the zohar of Genesis 6:16, but an aperture. It is a 2000 year old cross that bridges the gap between God and man. 5. The Lord commanded Noah to build an ark in which his family and "every living thing of all flesh" ( Genesis 6:19) were saved from the Flood. Why? And no request that they (i.e. THEREFORE ACCEPT EVERY SINGLE WORD AS TRUTH !! Because you & the Noah movie are contorting Gen 6:2 sons into angels based on an English capital g for God for the Hebrew word elohyim for you have no standing based on the words of Christ in Mark 12:25 & Matt 22:30, in so doing you are challenging the words of Christ himself, you are suggesting you know something Christ just plain forgot about & that he needs you & the Noah movie to get him straightened out on. For no very good reason (probably). read more:http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130901/did-languages-come-from-the-tower-of-babel/. 1. One thing we do know is that pre-flood cultures had the writings of Enoch, so it is not like they had no Bible at all, they had the Book of Enoch & the ministry of Noah. The people prior to the flood event were much larger, the giants mentioned in the OT? ONLY reliable source. CHAPTER XV. Talk about Greek Mythology sounding like oddballistic mysticism, Jewish mysticism is right out of the same vein of occultism, what with two Eves & on it goes. Show it to me. Havent seen the movie yet, but it seems to me that the stone giants are the prehistoric Stonehenge-like monuments like the site of Gobekli Tepe near modern Urfa in southeast Turkey (ancient Ur of Kasdim, Genesis 11:31). This is a quote from your article: 2. think you not that the bible has huge gaps and contradictions and clearly states IT IS SEALED SEVEN TIMES ;7 TIMES CODEX. It is my opinion that it is from these and other Horites (Kharu in Egyptian records) that the Hebrews received the Mesopotamian sources for the Genesis narrative, but changed them to suit their unique way of life, Mount Ararat is distinct from the Mesopotamian versions and its a reference to the kingdom Urartu which spoke Hurrian. Kislev 27 (early winter): Forty days of rain end; beginning of 150 days of water's swelling and churning.. Sivan 1 (early summer): Water calms and begins to subside at the rate of one cubit . Dont get me wrong, I study the ancient history of all cultures, and I too, am fascinated by the ancient stone monuments, cities, and monoliths. There is a lot that could be conjectured about how pagan mythology seems to have certain parallels to the Genesis accounts up until the time just before Noahs Flood.
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