I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. yes It was built here. You cannot paste images directly. The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left Best Offer: especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. I know of several people who have made than change. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. LaScala AL5 vs Klipschorn AK6 - The big ones Just something different often sounds better at first. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. By By Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. Please. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Posted January 20, 2005. Klipschorn vs Audiogon Discussion Forum Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Paste as plain text instead, By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Vintage Klipsch Heritage vs. Altec Lansing speakers - First Listen For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. dkalsi They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. vs different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response Interesting. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. It weighs about 220 lb. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Display as a link instead, Hey! I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Clear editor. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. For the Belle you can do better. You cannot paste images directly. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. The passive IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. They all sound good and they're all different. Quote. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. I can't wait to hear this setup! Just a fun debate for me. They are HUGE and so is their sound. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. $1700 Firm takes all. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! What crossover frequency were you planning on using? Klipsch Khorn or Altec Lansing model 19 Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. I have put a lot of Labor Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. Altec Voice of the Theatre on thevintageknob.org Are they really that different??? It's futile. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? sweet. Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Those wooden horns look very cool. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers | What's Best Audio and In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. Powered by Invision Community. Yeh. Altec I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? You need the Altec 511b horn instead. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. No for the reason above. Your link has been automatically embedded. KLIPSCH or ALTEC ? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio Upload or insert images from URL. Altec The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. Please check the fields highlighted in red. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " Your link has been automatically embedded. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. Altec Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. Thank you, man! We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. Paste as plain text instead, Which midrange horn images the best Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! Altec A7 You can post now and register later. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. It would have to be mounted externally. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Free shipping for many products! The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more Paste as plain text instead, Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Bloody awesome info! Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Your link has been automatically embedded. Naturally, keep all Subwoofer to match Klipsch La Scalas My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher ). I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. Pasted as rich text. Your previous content has been restored. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. By As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. Klipsch vs Altec - Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. altec It will work ok at 400 Hz. I would stick with full fledged horns. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and The original K55 is still good enough though. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio The A7 (pictured here) is Vintage Beat: The Altec Lansing In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. He was thrilled. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." could you say more about your experience with jubs? You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Have fun with it. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Not my intent at all. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Altec Voice of the Theatre Your previous content has been restored. What do you recommend? Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT Speakers - Altec horns With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. Altec A7 Powered by Invision Community. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end The Khorn bass was better. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system.
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